Wednesday, December 31, 7000

Permanent Top Post by JM Talboo and Steve W.



By JM Talboo and Steve W.

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2008/10/debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theories.htmlMany people subconsciously make the mistake of only seeing the issues concerning 9/11 in black and white, as opposed to shades of gray. This is known as the black-or-white fallacy. In this case, the false dilemma is: 9/11 was either carried out by Al-Qaeda or it was "an inside job."

Just because the evidence suggests that rogue elements of US and other international intelligence agencies were involved doesn't mean bin Laden and Al-Qaeda hijackers weren't involved.

In the fight to uncover the truth about 9/11 we must contend with individuals and groups that distort, omit and lie about important details in order to defend the official narrative - the 911 truth Debunkers.

 

The NORAD-stand-down, various whistleblowers, and physical evidence centered around the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center Buildings in New York, make a strong case that the attacks involved substantial inside help.

“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States” - 
Former Sen. Bob Graham on 60-Minutes 



We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads, but the "debunkers" are wrong when many essentially argue that it's acceptable for 70% of 9/11 family members questions to have never been answered by the 9/11 Commission. So of course, most have no qualms about promises made to 9/11 family members being broken by the Commission to investigate all whistleblower claims, which a substantial amount of the public find highly-suspicious at minimum, with many regarding the evidence as suggestive of complicity to varied degrees.

The below link proves that many thousands of family members want a new investigation. Likely the amount of people killed that day is outnumbered by these 9/11 victim's family members.


[On the left side (above) is a video of WTC 7 collapsing. On the right side is a video of a controlled demolition.]


And it stands to reason, that these ilk feel the lack of air defense story is above scrutiny to the point that secrecy and rewards are warranted. So what if this tale consists of 3, or some contend 4, mutually contradictory versions of events and admitted lies. It makes perfect sense that the top officials from NORAD and the FAA received promotions, as opposed to having to provide documents with data that would prove that the jet fighters were acceptably responsive, given the past response time averages.


Unsurprisingly, they hate even the best of the "Loose Change" films, but loose ends are no biggie.

The Washington Post reported on August 2, 2006 that:
Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources... "We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. 'It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
So, if 9/11 didn't have an inside element, what's to stop such a scenario from taking place in the future when we get investigations that have attributes like these? 

It is therefore the purpose of this website to rebut the hollow claims of the so-called 911 truth 'Debunkers' and clarify what is known about the attacks for the benefit of those following the debate and also for the largely uninformed public.

Sorry that we don't allow any comments, but if you wish to communicate any thoughts you have about the published material please contact us here. Ad hominems will be ignored, but well-formed rebuttals may be addressed (and that is a subjective matter) provided we have not refuted the points therein numerous times on this blog already.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017

EXAMPLES OF BUILDING FIRES

By Ken Dock

EXAMPLES OF BUILDING FIRES
EXAMPLES OF BUILDING FIRES
Question: Show me one example of a Steel Framed high rise Building that has virtually collapsed from Fire or Structural Damage?
Answer: Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to virtually collapse.
“The truth is, before 9/11, the term global collapse didn’t even exist. Buildings survived fires, plane crashes, earthquakes, terrorist attacks, botched demolitions and even nuclear explosions. Never, before or after 9/11, have we seen such catastrophic failures.”
WATCH THESE RAGING INFERNOS IN STEEL-FRAMED STRUCTURES AROUND THE GLOBE
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/226-news-media-events-raging-infernos.html
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9/11 Explanations: Other Steel Structure Failures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnDyM_8JSyM
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HISTORY OF BUILDING FIRES
buildingfirescomp
1) Oct 17 2004, Caracas, Venezuela 26 floors of a 56 story building burned for 17 hours.
2) May 4th, 1988 First Interstate Bank, Los Angeles, 62 stories tall, burned for 3.5 hours.
See “First Interstate Bank” below.
3) Sept 11 2001 9/11 WTC 5, 9 Stories tall, burned for 6 hours.
4) Feb 12 2005, Windsor Tower in Madrid, 29 floors burned for 24 hours.
See “Windsor Tower” below.
5) Feb 23, 1991, One Meridian Plaza, Philadelphia 38 floors, 8 floors burned for 18 hours.
See “One Meridian Plaza” below.
6) Feb 13, 1975, 11th floor of WTC 1, 5 floors burned for three hours.
See “WTC Fires” below.
7) Feb 9, 2009, Beijing CCTV Annex Fire – Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire
See “Made in China: below.
8) August 14th, 2007. Shanghai’s World Financial Center fire.
See “Made in China” below.
9) Nov 15th, 2010. Shanghai, a 28-story building was being renovated when it caught fire.
See “Made in China” below.
10) August 18th, 2007, Deutsche Bank Building fire.
See “Deutsche Bank” below.
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Tallest buildings
http://www.snipview.com/q/Tallest
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WORLD TRADE CENTER FIRES
1975
wtcfire1975
“On February 13, 1975, a three-alarm fire broke out on the 11th floor of the North Tower. Fire spread through the core to the 9th and 14th floors by igniting the insulation of telephone cables in a utility shaft that ran vertically between floors. Areas at the furthest extent of the fire were extinguished almost immediately and the original fire was put out in a few hours. Most of the damage was concentrated on the 11th floor, fueled by cabinets filled with paper, alcohol-based fluid for office machines, and other office equipment. Fireproofing protected the steel and there was no structural damage to the tower. Other than the damage caused by the fire, a few floors below suffered water damage from the extinguishing of the fires above. At that time, the World Trade Center had no fire sprinkler systems.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center#February_13.2C_1975_fire
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World Trade Center Fire 2 14 1975 ABC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQKuXQyqGw&
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The 1975 World Trade Center Fire
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_1975_fire.html
NYTimes, 1975: Trade Center Hit by 6-Floor Fire – “It was like fighting a blow torch.”
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“Following a major fire in February 1975, the Port Authority decided to start installing sprinklers throughout the buildings. By 1993, nearly all of 2 WTC and 85 percent of 1 WTC had sprinklers installed,[70] and the entire complex was retrofitted by 2001.[71]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center
**Evans, David D., Richard D. Peacock, Erica D. Kuligowski, W. Stuart Dols, William L. Grosshandler (September 2005). Active Fire
Protection Systems (NCSTAR 1-4). National Institute of Standards and Technology. p. 14.
**Lew, H.S., Richard W. Bukowski, Nicholas J. Carino (September 2005). Design, Construction, and Maintenance of Structural and Life
Safety Systems (NCSTAR 1-1). National Institute of Standards and Technology. p. 163.
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1993
WTC_1993_ATF_Commons
“The 1993 World Trade Center bombing occurred on February 26, 1993, when a truck bomb was detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York, NY. The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device[1] was intended to knock the North Tower (Tower One) into the South Tower (Tower Two), bringing both towers down and killing thousands of people. It failed to do so, but did kill six people and injured more than a thousand.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
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1993 World Trade Center Attack II 1of3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7Ge-xFVtM
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1993 World Trade Center Bombing Investigation (Good Morning America March 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX3ikm5LlSE
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WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING
http://www.nycop.com/Stories/Dec_00/World_Trade_Center_Bombing/body_world_trade_center_bombing.html
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The FBI Allowed the 1993 WTC Bombing to Happen
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtcbomb.html
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MADRID WINDSOR TOWER
“On February 12th, 2005, the Windsor Building in Madrid (Spain), a 32 story tower framed in steel reinforced concrete, burned for almost 24 hours. The media and the emergency services warned it could collapse. “There was a fairly consistent picture being painted” of the Windsor Building “in danger of collapse”.”
The Madrid Skyscraper Fire
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spain_fire_2005.html
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Torre Windsor – collapse and molten metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz-WVJ0zeXE
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Windsor Tower VS World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_srNT8-Ow&
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SPANISH SKYSCRAPER FIRE RAISES QUESTIONS ABOUT 9/11 COLLAPSES
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spain_fire_9-11.html
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The Collapse of WTC 1: Madrid Exposes a Fundamental Flaw
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc1_core.html
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Aftermath of the Windsor Tower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgD7zXscFxE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywScL2dJKM
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Do you also know that the STEEL crane on top of the building didn’t even collapse during the 20 hour blaze.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-skR6zfgGw
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Crane:
http://www.iwilltryit.com/criminals20019_00014.JPG
No Crane:
http://www.jaimz.ca/images/STRUCTURE004.jpg
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The Windsor Tower in Madrid Spain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4MjsVnasLA&
Watch after 1:15. You will see the building fail and it partially collapses. The core still stands. The collapsing debris does not fall straight through the entire building. It peels away from the building falling through the path of least resistance….. AIR. It also doesn’t hurl steel columns to fly horizontally 100’s of feet through the air like we saw with the towers. Also the Madrid Building burned for 20+ hours and did not totally collapse. The towers burned for 58 mins and 1 hr 20 mins respectively.
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WINDSOR ,MADRID , FIRE PICTURES
http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/windsor_madrid_pictures.html
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ONE MERIDIAN PLAZA
“One Meridian Plaza was a 38-storey high-rise office building in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States. The 492 feet (150 m) tower was designed by Vincent Kling & Associates and completed in 1972. The building was demolished in 1999 as a result of damage of a fire that began on February 23, 1991.”
“The fire was only brought under control once it reached the 30th floor which was one of the few floors that had automatic sprinklers installed. Ten sprinklers held back the fire until it started burning itself out and was finally brought under control almost a full day after it started.”
“By February 26 city officials had determined One Meridian Plaza was not in danger of collapse.[11] There was structural damage to horizontal steel beams and floor sections on most of the fire damaged floors. Under extreme fire exposure the beams and girders sagged and twisted and cracks appeared in the concrete floors. However, the overall structure was stable and able to support the weight of the building. Thermal expansion of the steel frame caused some of the granite panels to be dislodged from the building’s facade.”
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High-rise Office Building Fire One Meridian Plaza Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/meridienplaza.html
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DEUTSCHE BANK FIRE
Deutsche Bank fire in New York:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/190807Building.htm
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DEUTSCHE BANK FIRE AT WORLD TRADE CENTER SITE AUG 18, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqp1wUqf89c&
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FDNY Firefighter Recalls Fatal Deutsche Bank Fire
http://www.firehouse.com/news/10462914/fdny-firefighter-recalls-fatal-deutsche-bank-fire
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FIRST INTERSTATE BANK
“During the late evening of May 4, 1988, and the early morning of May 5, 1988, members of the Los Angeles City Fire Department successfully battled what has proven to be the worst, most devastating high-rise fire in the history of Los Angeles. Extinguishing this blaze at the 62-story First Interstate Bank Building,”
interstatebuildingfire
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LAFD 1st Interstate Bank Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-TtEIBtH6M&
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LAFD 1st Interstate Bank Fire part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsmQTOwwRG0
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Interstate Bank Building Fire Los Angeles, California (May 4, 1988)
http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/interstatebank.html
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Interstate Bank Building Fire
Los Angeles, California
(May 4, 1988)
On Wednesday, May 4 and continuing in to May 5, 1988, the Los Angeles City Fire Department responded to and extinguished the most challenging and difficult high-rise fire in the city’s history. The fire destroyed four floors and damaged a fifth floor of the modern 62 story First Interstate Bank building in downtwon L.A.
The building has a structural steel frame, protected by a sprayed-on protective coating, with steel floor pans and lightweight concrete The exterior curtain walls are glass and aluminum.
The fire extended at a rate estimated at 45 minutes per floor and burned intensely for approximately 90 minutes on each level.
PLASCO BUILDING
MADE IN CHINA
1) Beijing CCTV Annex Fire – Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire – 9 Feb 2009
chinacctv_inferno
Beijing CCTV Annex Fire – Mandarin Oriental Hotel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1OnhSucP8
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CCTV/TVCC fire in Beijing (HD version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg
(The explosions you are hearing are from fireworks)
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Fire Consumes WTC 7-Size Skyscraper, Building Does Not Collapse
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fire-consumes-wtc-7-size-skyscraper-building-does-not-collapse.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/beijing-skyscraper-fire-the-silence-is-deafening.html
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New CCTV building caught fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avBkDtVCNng&
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Tallest Building in Northeast China on Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUfLAawIOqI
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2) Shanghai’s World Financial Center fire, August 14th, 2007.
chinaworldfinancial
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China’s tallest building catches fire, does NOT collapse:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/150807_not_collapse.htm
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China’s Tallest Building Catches Fire
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/7-8-14/58774.html
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Leslie Robertson gets another gig! (this building was also designed by WTC chief engineer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejc4o4dDN3s
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3) Shanghai, Nov 15th, 2010. The 28-story building at the intersection of Jiaozhou Road and Yuyao Road in Jing’an District was being renovated when it caught fire at about 2:15 p.m
chinahighriseapartment
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Workers Detained as Toll Hits 53 in Shanghai Fire
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/world/asia/16shanghai.html?_r=3&hp
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At least 42 dead after downtown Shanghai apartment block blaze
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-11/16/c_13608066.htm
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Video of Shanghai skyscraper inferno as 53 killed in China fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5-DpMObGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D9xf-zJ5gI&
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4) 16 December, 2013. High-rise building engulfed by fire in Guangzhou, China.
5) June 03, 2015: An inferno has been filmed engulfing a high-rise building in China in a matter of seconds.
“A high-rise in an unnamed Chinese city has erupted in flames midday, a terrifying video has revealed. It captured the blaze overwhelming the entire building in a matter of seconds.”

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6) August 11th, 2015 a massive explosion rocked the port of Tianjin in China.
“The National Earthquake Bureau reported two major blasts before midnight, the first with an equivalent of 3 tons of TNT, and the second with the equivalent of 21 tons.”
RAW: Massive Explosion in China’s Tianjin Region! BREAKING FOOTAGE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDgZ5RkivEg
THE MURRAH BUILDING (OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING)
okc
“The Oklahoma City bombing was a terrorist bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. It would remain the most destructive act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11, 2001 attacks. The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6[1] and injured more than 680 people.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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A Noble Lie – Oklahoma City 1995
http://www.anoblelie.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoIyq34MBYs
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Oklahoma City Bombing
http://www.okcbombingtruth.com/
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Oklahoma City Bombing RARE footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk
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Terry Nichols Wants To Reveal FBI Informant Role In The Oklahoma City Bombing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd1LzzwFAqQ&
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“Why do the same five or so individuals turn up in investigations relating to terrorist attacks, when, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), there are 1.5 million engineers in the US? The authors of the official report on the Murrah Federal building – Gene Corley, Charles Thornton, Paul Mlaker, and Mete Sozen – were all among the initial team of the ASCE WTC investigation. Several of these individuals have strong connections to industries that benefited from the attack, such as armaments makers and oil and gas producers.”
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/Roberts_AnnotatedJones-RobertsonTranscript.pdf
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Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Implosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FcfpBKSVc&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBmPKjrilws&
As you can see, the Murrah building stood for a month with serious structural damage but yet still had to be taken down by Controlled Demoltion (CDI)
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Whats with all the Ryder trucks?
http://www.dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployments/OklahomaCityBombing1995/Oklahoma-57_JPG.html
http://www.truthalliance.net/Portals/0/Archive/Community%20Article%20Images/TRUCK2.gif
http://www.sydweedon.com/Resources/OKC.htm
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NOTES:
3 bombs found inside the building that did not go off. That should tell you right there that McVeigh’s could not have planted them in a heavily secured building from his fertilizer truck. The Murrah was supposed to come down that day. It actually stood for 6 weeks before CDI came in and brought it down with explosives.
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GRENFELL TOWER FIRE
grenfellfire1
The Grenfell Tower fire occurred on 14 June 2017 at the 24-storey, 220-foot-high. It burned for about 60 hours and still did not collapse.
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London tower block fire: Sense of limbo in Grenfell aftermath
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-40274519
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“Grenfell Tower was completed in 1974.[3] In 2015-2016, the concrete structure received new windows and new cladding with thermal insulation. It has 120 apartments.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire
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Original Tower
Floors: 24
Completed: 1974
Residential units: 120
Grenfell Tower comprises 20 storeys of residential flats and four storeys of community/office spaces at podium level. It is roughly square in plan and the residential floors are identical: 4no. 2-bed flats – one on each corner –and 2no. 1-bed flats – one facing east and the other west. The north and south elevations are almost identical, as are the east and west.
The structural frame: columns, core, stairs and floor plates are in-situ poured concrete. Pre-cast concrete panels form the cladding to the residential floors: one panel type serves as a horizontal structural spandrel, spanning column to column and the other is a facing to the columns, each panel a full storey height. ”
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=140635952
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The Grenfell Tower will most likely be demolished. And it can be done in 48 hours by CDI!
“He said his company, which has been demolishing buildings since 1947, had worked on operations where tower blocks needed to be taken down “within 48 hours” and he said it was perfectly feasible.
Mr. Loizeaux said if the building was considered too unsafe for demolition contractors to go in and place detonation charges they might consider using robots, as was done to bring down the remainder of Didcot power station after it collapsed last year, killing four people.”
https://sputniknews.com/news/201706151054654800-grenfell-tower-demolition-crime/
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You mean the same experts that told us fire and gravity made 3 Towers collapse from 2 planes? Those experts? Hahaha
The Grenfell Tower is still standing, so why would they need to bring in these “experts” for a building fire?
Grenfell Tower fire: Investigators bring in 9/11 experts
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40669589
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Video Footage
Grenfell Tower: Massive Building Fire In London! – (Compilation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKe2I-s_AQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHNvdtIdMZE
Witnesses:
London Residents Speak The Truth About The Grenfell Tower Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AX8DYTPJKc

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The Twin Towers burned for 56 and 102 minutes respectively and “collapsed” without warning. Building 7 burned for 7 hours and came down into its own footprint at free fall.
Yet the Glenfell tower is still standing after a massive 60 hour inferno.
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CHECHNYA
Luxury skyscraper hotel completely engulfed by fire in Grozny, Chechnya (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
http://rt.com/news/chechnya-tallest-building-fire-280/
chechnyafire
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Fire rages in 40-story Chechnya building
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/03/world/russia-grozny-building-fire/
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Nearly 300 firefighters tackle blaze in 475ft high Chechnyan skyscraper where tax-exile GĂ©rard Depardieu was given a luxury flat
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2303538/Chechnya-300-firefighters-tackle-blaze-skyscraper-tax-exile-G-rard-Depardieu-given-flat.html
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Group discussion:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204686781/permalink/10151311249141782/
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MANHATTAN BUILDING FIRE (March 2015)
A Manhattan building in East Village suffered a gas explosion in the restaurant of the ground floor on Thursday March 26th resulting in a blazing inferno. This building was over 100 years old and was built with Bricks and Wooden floors. No steel. Which begs the question how does a Brick and Wood building only partially collapse yet Building 7 on 9/11 imploded into its own footprint due to random office fires?
firememe
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FDNY MAJOR BUILDING COLLAPSE 125 2 AVE NYC – FIRE (Pre partial collapse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmcC9xmkLPg
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Video of collapse as it happens – 123 2 AVE NYC (Partial Collapse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUU6FtCeWb4
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FDNY MAJOR BUILDING COLLAPSE 125 2 AVE NYC (After Collapse)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BatJR67gQWo
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Building Explosion NYC Building Collapse Fire Explosion New York City 7 Alarm Fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ei8EmnlvQ
FDNY Chief talks about the 100 year old building made of wooden floors and how the inside of the building was being burnt out.
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Explosion and Fire Next Door – East Village NYC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdwqzLXhNkw
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Explosion rocks New York’s East Village; several injuries reported (Video + Photos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGp8OKQwL7Y
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FDNY confirms one building collapses in Manhattan, two on fire
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102538998
“The New York Fire Department reported a “major building collapse” and a seven-alarm fire in Manhattan’s East Village on Thursday afternoon.
The address of the incident is reportedly 125 2nd Avenue near between 7th Street and St. Marks Place. Local media reports suggested that an explosion occurred in a restaurant near the ground floor of the building, and fire spread to apartments on the upper floors.”
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SKYSCRAPERS MADE OF WOOD?
Maybe we should start making buildings out of Brick and Wood. They obviously hold up better than Concrete and Steel! Doh!
“Building a skyscraper? Forget about steel and concrete, says architect Michael Green, and build it out of … wood. As he details in this intriguing talk, it’s not only possible to build safe wooden structures up to 30 stories tall (and, he hopes, higher), it’s necessary.”
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Wooden skyscrapers could be the future of flat-pack cities around the world
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/03/-sp-wooden-skyscrapers-future-world-plyscrapers
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Designers imagine skylines of wood high-rises, made possible by new technology
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/25/designers-imagine-skylines-wood-high-rises/
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Tall Tinder: Are Wooden Skyscrapers Really Fire Safe?
http://www.archdaily.com/483650/tall-tinder-are-wooden-skyscrapers-really-fire-safe/
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Rise of the ‘plyscrapers’: New wooden high-rises promise a quick and eco-friendly solution to building for the future
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216724/Rise-plyscrapers-New-wooden-high-rises-promise-quick-eco-friendly-solution-building-future.html
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OTHER HIGH RISE FIRES
Rockefeller CenterHigh Rise Fire
http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/rockefellerfire.html
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TOWERING INFERNO AND STAND BUT 911 TOWERS FALL.avi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyg9fv-B06s&
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Fire Tears Through Istanbul Tower Block
http://news.sky.com/story/961338/fire-tears-through-istanbul-tower-block
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Skyscraper on Fire: Europe’s tallest-to-be tower burns in Moscow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnuEMoGPdio&
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Massive fire breaks out at Vietnam’s twin towers
http://storyful.com/stories/1000016093
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Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm
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Firefighters battle blaze in vacant building in Ravenna
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/firefighters-battle-blaze-in-ravenna/
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Early-morning-fire-destroys-former-Ravenna-hardware-store-362949931.html
“A building caught fire Friday morning in the Ravenna neighborhood, and flames could be seen shooting from the top of the building.”
“Dozens of firefighters responded to a huge fire early Friday at an abandoned business just across from Roosevelt High School.”
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DUBAI
Massive fire engulfs Dubai ‘Torch’ residential tower (PHOTOS, VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/234275-dubai-residential-tower-fire/
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Fire devastates Dubai’s 336-metre Torch skyscraper
http://www.dezeen.com/2015/02/23/torch-tower-skyscraper-dubai-fire/
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Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNMaCBw-Lk
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Dubai Skyscraper Engulfed in Flames, Does Not Collapse
http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/688-dubai-skyscraper-engulfed-in-flames-does-not-collapse.html
dubaifiretamwweel
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Inferno at 63-story luxury hotel in Dubai near New Year’s Eve fireworks display (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
https://www.rt.com/news/327592-dubai-hotel-fire-address/
dubaifirememe
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Huge fire erupts at skyscraper in United Arab Emirates
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/huge-fire-erupts-at-skyscraper-in-united-arab-emirates/
“Images shared on social media showed bright yellow flames spreading up the side of the building as chunks of burning material tumbled to the ground.”
dubaifireajman
Huge Fire in Ajman One Towers – UAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB109czyJYk
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DEBUNKER ATTEMPTS
DELFT FIRE CHRIS MOHR (DEBUNKER)
chrismohr
Part 3 Gage’s Blueprint for Truth Rebuttal (Not Debunked): Tall Steel Frame Building Fire Collapses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsjfSG69Pik
Look at Chris Mohr’s example at the 2:00 minute mark and a few of his comments. He says:
“had a fast, all at once, almost symmetrical collapse, pretty much into it’s own footprint.”
“Watch the blackened rectangle where the fire is the worst … It collapses as a separate unit from the staircase to it’s right which resisted the fire”
First of all, the building did not Totally collapse, it PARTIALLY collapsed. It also did not fall at free fall into its own footprint. This 13 story building took 7 seconds to partially collapse. The 47 story building 7 was gone in the same amount of time.
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2/25/11 Answers from NIST to Questions by Chris Mohr, Journalist
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/469-answers-from-nist.html
Now, here is the full video of this building’s partial collapse.
Bouwkunde TUDelft collapses after fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bizr86N-4nc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKjIcb0ozzc (Wrecking ball)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNvfL1-RtM
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Does this look like the collapse of Building 7 to you? The answer is no!
Did the Delft Building fire have “a fast, all at once, almost symmetrical collapse, pretty much into it’s own footprint.”?
Before and after photo.
delftfire
Effects of fire on the structural capabilities of steel structures
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/effects-of-fire-on-the-structural-capabilities-of-steel-structures.2939/
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‎9/11 and Skeptic Magazine’s ‘Science’ of Controlled Demolitions
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/09/16/911-and-skeptic-magazines-science-of-controlled-demolitions/
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THE MCCORMICK CENTER FIRE
The McCormick Center was a warehouse-like exposition center. It was nothing like a steel-framed, fireproofed highrise. As you can see from the photos, only the roof, which was not fireproofed, collapsed.
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MCCORMICK PLACE FIRE, CHICAGO: JANUARY 16, 1967
http://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/91/McCormick%20Place%20Fire,%201967.pdf
The exhibition area did not have fire sprinklers or fire walls, and fireproof materials did not protect the steel roof supports.
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The night McCormick Place burned
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-05/site/ct-per-flash-mccormickplacefire-0205-20120205_1_mccormick-place-fire-equipment-chicago-fire
Smoke was reported by janitors at 2:05 a.m. on Jan. 16. By 2:30 a.m., when Fire Commissioner Robert Quinn arrived, he upgraded it to a five-alarm fire. It took just 45 minutes for two-thirds of the building to be engulfed. Before the fire was struck at 9:48 a.m., the roof had collapsed.
MCCORMICK PLACE FIRE, CHICAGO: JANUARY 16, 1967
http://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/91/McCormick%20Place%20Fire,%201967.pdf
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The McCormick Place Roof Collapse
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/mccormick.html
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Can you believe this was an example NIST gave of a fire-induced collapse? Compared to WTC 7 and the Towers.
NIST statement
“National Institute of Standards and Technology Several buildings have collapsed solely due to fire such as the McCormick Center in Chicago and the Sight and Sound Entertainment Center in Pennsylvania. However, WTCs 1 and 2 collapsed due to a combination of factors including the fact that they had been struck by large passenger aircraft. The ensuing fires were never hot enough to melt steel, only weaken it. Coupled with the loss of structural integrity due to the impacts, the weakened columns could not withstand the loads above, and the buildings collapsed.”
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SIGHT AND SOUND THEATRE
Sight and sound theatre
The Sight and Sound Theater fire and building collapse. Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.
http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf
The Sight and Sound Entertainment Center in Pennsylvania was even less like a steel-framed highrise.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19970130&id=RtFRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j28DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5505%2C8431396
The interior of the theater looks NOTHING like a steel-framed highrise.
Before and After.
siteandsoundtheaterfire
I can’t believe (NIST) debunkers use this as a valid comparison to Building 7.
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KADER TOY FACTORY
“The Kader Toy Factory fire was a fire on 10 May 1993 at a factory in Thailand. It is considered the worst industrial factory fire in history.[1] 188 people were killed, and over 500 were seriously injured.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kader_Toy_Factory_fire
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Kader Factory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU1Qci1yVzY
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“In Thailand, the Kader fire has created a great deal of interest about the country’s fire safety measures, particularly its building code design requirements and enforcement policies. Thai Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai, who travelled to the scene on the evening of the fire, has pledged that the government will address fire safety issues.”
http://www.ilo.org/iloenc/part-vi/disasters-natural-and-technological/item/374-case-study-the-kader-toy-factory-fire
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“Textile fires are important in both fire history and insurance. The Triangle Shirtwaist fire in New York in 1911, with the loss of 146 lives, remained the largest loss of lives in an industrial fire until 1993 when the Kader fire in Bangkok caused the death of 188 workers (Figure 2). While the first had a profound influence on industrial safety legislation, the same cannot be said for the second.”
http://www.forensic.cc/fire-and-explosion/textile-fires/
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The Kader Toy factory was not a steel framed highrise. It was poorly designed and had no fireproofing. This incident force Thailand to revamp their entire building safety codes.
Debunkers are comparing this to Builidng 7. What a joke.
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SKYSCRAPERS MADE OF WOOD?
“Building a skyscraper? Forget about steel and concrete, says architect Michael Green, and build it out of … wood. As he details in this intriguing talk, it’s not only possible to build safe wooden structures up to 30 stories tall (and, he hopes, higher), it’s necessary.”
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Wooden skyscrapers could be the future of flat-pack cities around the world
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/oct/03/-sp-wooden-skyscrapers-future-world-plyscrapers
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Designers imagine skylines of wood high-rises, made possible by new technology
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/25/designers-imagine-skylines-wood-high-rises/
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Tall Tinder: Are Wooden Skyscrapers Really Fire Safe?
http://www.archdaily.com/483650/tall-tinder-are-wooden-skyscrapers-really-fire-safe/
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Rise of the ‘plyscrapers’: New wooden high-rises promise a quick and eco-friendly solution to building for the future
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2216724/Rise-plyscrapers-New-wooden-high-rises-promise-quick-eco-friendly-solution-building-future.html
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